Interview: Willie Ocean "Dance music is not necessarily dumb"
Willie Ocean, singer of The Special Guests, about the new album "Beetroot", irony and political statements in music.
What was your motivation to do a cover version of Tracy Chapman's "Talkin' Bout A Revolution"?
Willie Ocean: Last year the french-german TV station Arte contacted us
and asked us to do recordings for their new music format "Klang". They
not only wanted an original song from each band, but also a cover
version. Since we usually don't play covers, that first seemed like a
problem. It took a lot of really serious discussions before someone
mentioned that song and everybody said: yes, that fits.
Did the message of the song play any role in that decision?
W.O.: When the song was a hit in 1986, there were far less reasons for a
revolution in good old Europe than today. Today the mass of the people
find themselves in social insecurity, while they are told they only have
to seize their chances. Okay, we know in these days who's our enemy: the
diligent workers in China. We just have to follow our leaders like Dr.
Joe Ackermann (the Deutsche Bank CEO) to defend our economy. Maybe we
haven't internalized that new paradigm yet.
Maybe that was the reason we decided to play that song. And not take one
from Michael Jackson or Rammstein. It wasn't an intellectual decision at
all. You can hear in the original that there's more wishful thinking
than fear. We tried to exaggerate that feeling in our Ska version.
When I listen to the new CD I get the impression that you're talking
more politics now. How did that happen?
W.O.: Man, we are the dance band for the alternative scene! Even punks
like to dance once in a while. For us, the spirit of Ska always had
political and social connotations. You just don't stress that point all
the time. At our gigs workers dance alongside intellectuals. I believe
that groove and revolutionary spirit both bring people together.
On the new album I decided to be a bit more clear about things that I'm
thinking about. There are some themes you just can't avoid. There's love
and all it's complications on the one hand. On the other, there are all
these limitations to freedom. Besides our own mind these limitations
come from all those measures in the war against terrorism. Or is it the
same subject? Never mind. Keep smiling. Dance music is not necessarily dumb.
What does Ska stand for today?
W.O.: When I joined The Special Guests and told my friends that I was in a Ska
band now, some of them said: "Yeah, punk is great!" I thought that was
strange. Well, you can't always separate one from the other and that's
fine, but: We play Ska! We play the Ska! I see the connection...
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>>> about the album: beetroot
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